LIFE AFTER
MINISTRY
STORIES OF WHAT NOW AND WHAT’S NEXT
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Episode 95 - When Home Becomes the Mission Field (featuring Nate & Brittany Bruns)
Missionaries spend years preparing to go to the field, but few are prepared for what it feels like to come home.
After serving six years in Germany, Nate and Brittany Bruns share the unexpected challenges of returning to the United States, navigating reverse culture shock, raising third-culture kids, and rebuilding community.
Ultimately, they discovered God was calling them to live as missionaries in their own country.
Their story offers practical encouragement for missionaries, churches, and anyone walking through an unexpected ministry transition.
Episode 79 - Why Men Need Men in Transition (featuring Don Ross)
What happens when the calling that once defined you no longer feels sustainable? When the work you love begins to cost you more than you can carry?
For many ministry leaders, the hardest battles are not theological. They are personal. Emotional. Quiet. And often fought alone.
In this episode, Matt Davis sits down with Don Ross, former pastor and founder of Manhood Tribes, to talk about why so many men struggle in silence, especially during seasons of ministry transition.
After two decades in large evangelical church leadership, Don stepped away - not because he stopped loving Jesus, but because the system was breaking him.
What followed was a difficult transition marked by uncertainty, financial pressure, and identity questions that many ministry leaders quietly face. This conversation pulls back the curtain on isolation, addiction, shame, and the deep need for brotherhood.
If you are navigating transition, questioning your direction, or responsible for leading others through change, this episode offers both clarity and hope.
No man should have to walk alone.
Episode 67 - The Silent Cost of Transitions on Ministry Wives (featuring Kristen Joy Humiston)
When termination happens behind a closed door, the impact lands in the kitchen, the car line, and the kids’ bedrooms.
In this episode, pastor’s wife Kristen Joy Humiston tells the story of being shut out of the room, hearing “you’re done here,” and driving home past the houses of those who voted yes.
Matt and Marilee name what many spouses carry in silence: rejection before termination, the isolation that follows, and how trauma forms when you have no voice, no choice, and no people.
They also get practical. What to do on day one. How to breathe, pack, and protect your children. How boards can reduce harm and how churches can care for the whole family, not just the titleholder.
There is life after ministry. It may look different than you imagined. Yet dignity, honest community, and thoughtful planning can close a wound and leave a healed scar.
This conversation offers language, tools, and hope for spouses, leaders, and boards who want to do hard things better.
Episode 36: Is There Life After Divorce? (featuring Kathey Batey)
Imagine walking into your church with a heart heavy from a broken marriage, unsure how your faith community will respond. The weight of shame, guilt, and fear can feel unbearable.
This episode of Life After Ministry dives into the often unspoken struggles of divorce, especially for those in ministry.
Facing Life After Ministry can feel hopeless, but it doesn’t have to be.
Whether you've stepped away from your position by choice, or circumstances have forced a change, it's a monumental shift that leaves many wondering, "What's next?" If you're at this crossroads, you may feel alone, overwhelmed, and unsure about the road ahead.
We want you to know that you're not alone in this transition. There's not just life after ministry - there's a chance to thrive.
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“Just listened to Matt and Marilee unpacked their own story in episode one. So generous, honest, and invitational. Thanks for meeting a "gap" in the ministry world, and by that I mean the shattered heads and hearts wandering the land like Christendom's own take on the Walking Dead. I pray this resurrects many, opens eyes for their families and communities, causing an increase in empathy among God's people.”
- Scott White
David, Former Pastor
"I felt lost after leaving the ministry. This podcast showed me a way forward."
Sarah, Ex-Missionary
"Life After Ministry Podcast was a lifeline during my transition. Now, I'm thriving in my new chapter!"
The Struggles of Transitioning
Stepping away from pastoral service can be a lonely journey filled with uncertainties. What will your new identity be? How do you make sense of the changes? The stakes are high - but you don't have to navigate this alone.

