Episode 73 - When Times Becomes Our Boss (featuring Andrew Hartman)
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At some point in ministry, we start confusing busyness for faithfulness. We tell ourselves that exhaustion is just the cost of obedience - that being needed, stretched thin, and constantly available somehow means we’re doing it right.
But deep down, we know something’s wrong.
In this episode of Life After Ministry, Matt Davis sits down with his longtime friend Andrew Hartman to talk about what happens when time becomes our boss. Andrew shares how his own burnout - marked by real physical breakdown - became the turning point that changed his relationship with time and work forever.
This isn’t a conversation about calendars or to-do lists. It’s about trust, limits, and the grace of learning how to stop before it’s too late. For anyone in ministry who’s running on empty, this one might be preventative - so you never have to live life after ministry.
Key Takeaways
Being busy for God is not the same as being faithful to Him.
Stress isn’t proof of calling; it’s often a signal of fear or misplaced trust.
Burnout is your body’s declaration of bankruptcy - an invitation to reorganize your life.
Ministry culture often rewards overwork, but Jesus modeled a rhythm of rest and presence.
True stewardship includes managing time as a sacred resource, not an endless debt.
Building trust with time begins by creating small, consistent commitment plans.
You don’t have to burn out to be fruitful. The work of God is sustained by the peace of God.
Chapter Markers
00:00 – Matt and Andrew reconnect after 20 years
01:43 – When “busy for God” became burnout
05:18 – The body declares bankruptcy on stress
07:03 – Solving the time problem
09:21 – Is burnout a failure or a signal?
13:52 – Fear, faith, and our emotional relationship with time
17:24 – How “commitment plans” build peace
19:10 – Leading others in stewardship of time
23:48 – What life looks like on the other side of burnout
26:33 – Teams that heal their pace together
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