Life After Ministry
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Turning transition into transformation.
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Episode 55: Balancing the Business Brain and the Pastoral Heart (featuring Dave Fletcher)
What do scuba diving, salary spreadsheets, and severance packages have in common? According to David Fletcher - everything.
In this episode, Matt sits down with the founder of xPastor and longtime executive pastor, David Fletcher, to talk about the messy, complicated, and deeply human work of leadership transitions in the church.
They unpack the real cost of bad transitions - not just in dollars, but in broken trust.
Dave shares stories from his 30+ years in ministry, including firing people he loved, navigating church politics without losing his soul, and why a generous severance might be the best culture-shaping tool a church has.
You'll also hear how he and his wife built a thriving marriage in the middle of ministry chaos, and why their daily Starbucks date is sacred.
It's honest. It's wise. It’s surprisingly funny. And it’s a masterclass for anyone leading people, especially in the church.
Facing Life After Ministry can feel hopeless, but it doesn’t have to be.
Whether you've stepped away from the pulpit by choice, or circumstances have forced a change, it's a monumental shift that leaves many wondering, "What's next?" If you're at this crossroads, you may feel alone, overwhelmed, and unsure about the road ahead.
We want you to know that you're not alone in this transition. There's not just life after ministry - there's a chance to thrive.
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“Just listened to Matt and Marilee unpacked their own story in episode one. So generous, honest, and invitational. Thanks for meeting a "gap" in the ministry world, and by that I mean the shattered heads and hearts wandering the land like Christendom's own take on the Walking Dead. I pray this resurrects many, opens eyes for their families and communities, causing an increase in empathy among God's people.”
- Scott White
David, Former Pastor
"I felt lost after leaving the ministry. This podcast showed me a way forward."
Sarah, Ex-Missionary
"Life After Ministry Podcast was a lifeline during my transition. Now, I'm thriving in my new chapter!"
The Struggles of Transitioning
Stepping away from pastoral service can be a lonely journey filled with uncertainties. What will your new identity be? How do you make sense of the changes? The stakes are high - but you don't have to navigate this alone.
Do you have a story to share?
We are always looking for stories of hope and transformation, to see the good God has done, and to continue to build the church into the radiant bride she will ultimately become. To be a guest of the Life After Ministry Podcast, click below and fill out the form.
If you prefer to talk, contact Matt at matt@ministrytransitions.com.
